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Oct. 5th, 2009 12:42 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
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Date: 2009-10-05 12:09 pm (UTC)What if Hermeien said that because *he* controlled the Congress at that point and therefore it was Almighty and Powerful in his eyes, but the rest of the lords still held on a little to the older values? The traitor business is strange. I suppose at that point Duke Ghor, as chairman, could have told everyone to fight the Conqueror, or if he was too unfit then Dave could've done it as acting chairman. Then all the armies would've gone to fight. So with what did the GE threaten the nations with? He must have had some special power that everyone's afraid of. Perhaps the Undelwalt Remnant (whatever those pillars are called) was a scary one... >_>
Dave most likely hadn't met the GE before. I wonder how Dave got the Remnants actually, because once the person bound to a Remnant dies, there should be a Luminescence thing (which probably also happens during binding, seeing what happened at the Ark with the Conqueror). So did Dave just walk up to the Remnants after his dad died and bound them, or maybe he had to wait for word from the God Emperor first? =/
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Date: 2009-10-05 12:22 pm (UTC)Hmm, that's plausible. Hermeien does seem to have a very inflated idea of his own importance. I wonder why everyone was so afraid of the consequences of being declared a traitor--it's the only time people in Athlum don't seem entirely behind Dave's actions and decisions, really. The GE can call a teleporter into being, but we don't see much else in the way of overt displays of power. Hmmmm.
Ugh, horrible horrible vision of Dave finding out his father was dead from the way the Valeria Heart started a cycle of luminescence.
I assume he would have to wait for word from the GE before he could bind the Remnants (though then you end up with a delay and time in which there could be a Collapse, brr). I wonder if that's why neither of the brothers in Baaluk had just taken control by binding the Brimuslabus (since they were fighting, it would otherwise make sense for one to just swipe control that way). If they had to wait for one of them to be granted the Remnant officially, it would explain that.
(Good call on the spoiler warning above, by the way. :P)
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Date: 2009-10-05 01:07 pm (UTC)Poor Dave! ;; That'd be very sad.
That could be. Or maybe they'd both tried but weren't strong enough. XDDDD Because doesn't it take strong people to bind strong Remnants? Like how only one with great power can bind the Ark. So the brothers sit around bickering, probably waiting for the GE to decide on something, maybe hoping the GE can grant one of them power, something like that... >_>
(XD)
Dammit, I wish that other TLR-obsessed girl has an LJ, then I could
drag her hereask her to come join this thread. She might know some things we've missed, what with her massive screencap library and all. XDno subject
Date: 2009-10-05 01:20 pm (UTC)Man, I've depressed myself there. Poor Dave, sadly watching the Valeria Heart flickering.
Hmm, true. I wonder how strong you'd have to be to bind The Conqueror. Or Rush. Or the Seven. The idea of the GE granting them enough power to bind it is interesting--I could see the GE claiming that as why he has to approve the distribution of Remnants.
And then maybe a consequence of being a traitor is the possibility that the GE might *remove* that power needed to keep a Remnant bound?
I'm feeling guilty we didn't have this conversation on
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Date: 2009-10-05 01:25 pm (UTC)I've been wondering about that. And what power would they give? Would binding Rush mean being able to summon something else, like how you can summon the Gae Bolg and Cyclops? XDDD And anyway, what would one have to sacrifice in order to bind Rush?
But then if the GE could do that, the Conqueror wouldn't have had to go through all that trouble to "free all Remnants". =/ Ahhhh I dunno. Maybe he just pretends to have the power to give/take away Remnants.
*snort* There are only one or two people there who seems to like actual game discussion, and of those not all of them have finished playing!
*edits and unlocks post* Hmmm maybe I could link this to the comm... feeling a bit lazy though. XD;
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Date: 2009-10-05 01:37 pm (UTC)Maybe Rush is himself a conjuration? Just a really durable one. Which would make him already bound.. except I can't figure out how that would work, really. Maybe he's bound to himself? And obviously, you'd have to give Rush a new wardrobe to bind him properly. :P
Mrf, yeah, okay. Maybe that doesn't work. Dammit, I thought I might have found a plausible reason for a moment there. So, back to no idea how the Emperor retains any control.
Up to you--it might make for interesting further discussion. Maybe.
(I need to post icon bases to the comm. I have like 60 I made in fits of 'oh, pretty!', and while I *could* upload 'em all to lj for my own use, I absolutely do not need quite that many TLR icons.)
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Date: 2009-10-05 01:46 pm (UTC)Maybe things would make more sense once I beat the Seven on PC and then have them recruited. They must have some explanation on things. Actually... *goes to check wiki* Okay, no info there. =/
Hmmmm maybe when I get home.
(What do you mean, you have no need for many TLR icons? TLR icons is not about need! It's about the pretty! *snicker*)
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Date: 2009-10-05 02:02 pm (UTC)Yeah, I'm curious about the Seven. I was never entirely sure if they were supposed to be Remnants or just fanatics in the service of the Conqueror. And, likely, haven't gotten that far in the PC playthrough yet.
(I have the need for pretty TLR icons, but do I need *twenty* Dave icons? Really? And as many of Rush? I need to share the pretty out a bit.)
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Date: 2009-10-05 02:23 pm (UTC).......which reminds me - Beneath Undelwalt. It's like the Sacred Lands, but I bet not many people know it exists! Maybe that's where the GE's power comes from, if he has any?
And could it be that Rush is a conjuration of the Sacred Lands/the Remnant Elysion, and Conqueror is the conjuration of Beneath Undelwalt (so secret that it doesn't even have a name?) It does *seem* like a Remnant needs to be bound for the conjuration to be called out, but are we sure......?
(Oh, share the pretty, of course! But it makes Dave sad when you say you don't need him. Or you don't need twenty copies of him. And you know the dangers involved with Dave's sadface.)
(I was going to say that I'll put aside the sewing the play the game tonight, but I know once I start I won't stop, and then all my cosplay plans will be in jeopardy. T_T)
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Date: 2009-10-05 02:34 pm (UTC)Yeah, maybe--we know the Sacred Lands reached by the Seventh Path Remnant Ark are the same as the Elysion Remnant Ark (or connected, since Dave and the Generals re-emerge from there at the end of the game). But the ones beneath Undelwalt don't seem to be the same place, precisely--I wonder if it manifests as an actual Remnant, but underground?
Hmm! That makes sense, them being conjurations of the specific places. There's nothing definite that I recall about them *having* to be bound for conjurations, though that feels like it should be right. I wonder--when the Gae Bolg and Cyclops fight against the party, what's their status in terms of binding/control?
(I will, I will. I may cherry-pick the best Torgal one first, though, since I lack a Torgal picture of my own. And I have many many pictures of Dave's pretty that are *larger* than icons. But filling all my lj usericon slots with versions of Dave would be too much concentrated pretty for any one place. No, not the sadface! I can't resist the sadface!)
(This is essentially my problem, and why I *still* haven't started on the sewing. Um. Too many distractions!)
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Date: 2009-10-05 02:49 pm (UTC)Elysion and Beneath Undelwalt is almost like.... Heaven and Hell? (Floating above and buried below.) Though they appear to be essentially the same thing. I suppose Elysion is named as such because the people thought that's the final resting place for souls. And the city under the floating Remnant was named after it, and then the Remnant became known as Sacred Lands. Comparing this with Undelwalt... that's almost obviously made to sound like Underworld. >_> There is definitely a connection between Undelwalt and the place beneath it. There's some parallel there that my words are failing to explain (it's Monday! I don't function on Mondays) but you know what I mean. So I'll guess Beneath Undelwalt is a Remnant. And GE has the power to create a teleporter that takes people in/out of that Remnant as he pleases, which is different from trying to get to Sacred Lands. I suppose that might mean he's bound Beneath Undelwalt to himself?
No idea at all about Gae Bolg and Cyclops... I mean, Dave definitely still had the eyepatch, because when Cyclops/Gae Bolg were defeated the light went back inside his eyepatch. So I'd guess the binding's still there. But he most definitely lost control of it...
(I need more variety of characters, myself. I want one or two Irina ones, actually. And some of Pagus's friends. XD Need more funny ones.)
(You need to start! Now! When your boyfriend isn't home to grumble at you for using the music room!)
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Date: 2009-10-05 03:00 pm (UTC)Yes, I see the parallel. And it would make sense for the God Emperor to bind BU to himself, yes. But there appears to be no Lord in Elysion (which is *pronounced* to sound like 'illusion', as another commentary of sorts on the concept)--and we know that the Remnant Elysion (as opposed to the Ark) was bound by Marion Marshall way back when (thus aligning her with Heaven vs the Imperator's Hell? Hmmmmmmm). Is it unbound now? Or is it bound by the Academy somehow?
Maybe the Conqueror took control of the Gae Bolg and Cyclops (either just those conjurations, or Kellendros and the Talisman's method for producing them) temporarily? I don't know, I can't figure out the mechanics of that battle at all (though it is very cool).
(I took a bunch of screenshots of Pagus's sidequest just yesterday, lots of Maddox and Sibal--want me to punt them to you when I get home?)
(But! Shiny game to distract me! Besides which, first I need to stare at the pattern I bought that tells me how the hell one makes a mandarin collar, anyway. :P)
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Date: 2009-10-05 03:18 pm (UTC)Stone no.24 - The Academy doesn't have the power to use Sacred Lands - yet. They seem to be able to get the Ark to operate for them every few months, and I'd guess since they can't even control the Ark properly, they most likely don't have control of Remnant Elysion. But, stone no.14... guess that implies that during luminesence a person might be able to Use a Remnant without binding it. At least that's the case for the Ark?
So what happened back then? Wagram dumped Glenys to woo Marion Marshall, and because after that he gained control of lots of Remnants I suppose Marion actually helped him. And then Marion actually made Tao Tie walk away, so that Kingdom of Glenys lost the war to Undelwalt. =/ (I guess love is blind) Maybe some time after that she realised Wagram's an asshole and so she bound herself to Elysion to stablise things?
(Yanno, I never took the time to read all the Academy Visistones. Big mistake! Interesting stuff there. Stone no.47 is particularly interesting.)
(I've got lots of them too, actually, just being a bit lazy about iconing. XD)
(Well if you run out of time making the costume, my Dave will be sad.)
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Date: 2009-10-05 03:37 pm (UTC)Hmm. So Elysion isn't bound at all, I guess. And neither is the Ark, mostly. Amazing there's been no Collapse from the Ark...
And, yeah, the reading I got was that Wagram wooed Marion Marshall purely for her powers (though fairly convincingly, I assume) and then after that she bound Elysion--maybe on his prompting, since it's the original Remnant?
(I lack inspiration for text for icons, alas. My icons are pretty but not very funny. :( )
(I'm not quite that bad at procrastination! It'll be done in time. Though there may be some panic later on. :P)
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Date: 2009-10-05 03:46 pm (UTC)I guess it makes sense. Otherwise someone would've gone to Dillmore to bind the Rubber Soul by now, but since the Collapse it's been left untouched. Maybe it's got a long Luminescence cycle so nobody could bind it yet.
Perhaps the Ark is one of those types that take forever to Collapse. Or every time someone from the Academy uses it, it counts as a "binding", sort of uses up its stored power?
Hey... Academy Visistone 44 [The Third Committee 4] Project SC: Usage of a giant Remnant for the military. What do you think SC could be? *headtilt*
(But you come up with fabulous puns!)
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Date: 2009-10-05 03:55 pm (UTC)I guess so. I assume Marshall's Blessing supercedes the 'must be luminescing'--or forces luminescence, actually, come to think of it. Hmmm. Interesting.
Maybe. I dunno. Or maybe its Collapse is one of the mental-effects-only type, so people don't notice so much? Or maybe its Collapse is to produce mitra-like people. :P
I thought that might be Ala Melvilana (since it is giant and Hermeien is able to access it for use) but that doesn't fit the letters. Not sure. There's nothing else that seems to fit, really.
I'm wondering about the 'Marshalls don't have to focus an object to use mystic arts' one--does this mean that everyone else has to focus (through an orb? or their weapon?) but Irina doesn't? That's not explored much, is it?
(Only spontaneously! If I could force these random funnies, I would! Alas, I cannot.)
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Date: 2009-10-05 04:04 pm (UTC)*snerk* There might be lots of little Rush running around Sacred Lands waiting to be adopted?
Yeah I can't think of anything either. And it's not Leithon's Sword since it's not giant and the letters don't fit. But something should fit it since they also have BA there which is obviously Bloody Alice, although they didn't include [bloody alice] in the words. So maybe the "SC" is also from a sidequest. *goes look through the list*
Absolutely no idea! It's not like we can unequip Irina to see if she can use mystic art without a weapon. I wonder if I can make Rush go into battle with nothing in his hands... and then if he can use mystic arts that way, then he's definitely a Marshall, ie he's definitely the biological son of Marina? Must go home and try.
(If I could draw, I'd totally make an icon of Dave tying Rush up plus the caption "binding a remnant")
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Date: 2009-10-05 05:57 pm (UTC)Oh god. A herd of baby Rushes.
Let me know if you figure that out--all I can think is that it's an alternate name for something? Or a dropped side-quest, maybe.
Well, even if you make him go in without a weapon, you can't drop the orb that Pagus gives him, can you? So that doesn't help much, either.
(I am planning on binding for the ball, you realise. Which is going to make me giggle as well.)
(Also, OMG I have flag!cufflinks! I'll post a picture once I've dug out my camera cable.)
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Date: 2009-10-05 06:58 pm (UTC)Not sure. But given the fact that one must have a weapon to use mystic arts, if Rush doesn't need a weapon, then it still proves... something? Gonna try it later. Eating and watching TV and going online at the same time right now. XD
(*giggle* Rush binds himself!)
(*goes to look!*)
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Date: 2009-10-06 05:24 am (UTC)Anyway...yeah, have some screencaps. XD They're from my first playthrough, so I wasn't actually going for 100% completion, so I may have missed some stuff, but these are from the general areas you've been talking about?
"handed down by the God Emperor" (capped from a vid I was too lazy to convert, thus the weird black spaces)
http://www.mediafire.com/?1diewrzzuf2
Undelwalt - townsfolk conversation
http://www.mediafire.com/?gzbmvnzmzxu
Undelwalt - conversation beneath
http://www.mediafire.com/?ytmmwkimz3n
Athlum - townsfolk reaction to fighting the Conqueror against the God Emperor's wishes
http://www.mediafire.com/?dhjdyuktngy
And because I was too lazy to cap it (...just go with it), the interview with the present God Emperor, which I...haven't rewatched, so I have no idea how useful it is. Vid is tiny but stretchable, and looks best on GOM player!
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OFS5X3S7
My personal thoughts on the God Emperor is that it's an institution that isn't much different from, say, the Imperial family of China after they also fell out of power, or a typical monarchy today. Actual power has fallen to the wayside as temporal power was divvied out to various other branches of government, until the Congress, which is essentially now doing all the work and making all the decisions, holds the real reins of the state, but the God Emperor still has the tradition of veneration. His Remnant doesn't seem to be a very threatening sort, and at the very least seems to be wearing out, so I don't think it's his own personal power that keeps people in awe of him. It seems more likely that it's the threat of him calling on the other Lords to turn against a dissenter that keeps the others in line.
Oddly enough, RE: the Ark, one of the Academy researchers says that it's "already bound" after the Conqueror does his thing. I think they do this stuff to torment me, honestly. XD
Anyway, as to the GE "handing down" David's Remnants, I sort of took that in a symbolic sense, honestly. Either that David was bureaucratically confirmed in his right to hold them or that "the" God Emperor had bestowed them on the Nassau family or some such thing. Because, y'know, heralds. It's their job to make you sound wonderfully impressive. *laughs*
Aaand I'm very tired now and have to get up at 4AM, so I'll shut up...hope I managed to ramble my way towards what you were wanting? *is very, very sleepy!*
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Date: 2009-10-06 09:20 am (UTC)That does make sense, about the GE. Especially if one looks at it like the map in the game is the whole empire that the GE "rules over", but somewhere along the line the lords made a Congress to look after themselves. But I just wonder... if the people needed their Remnants so much, would a threat from the God Emperor (who probably doesn't really have much physical power) really stop them from trying to protect themselves against the Conqueror? Maybe the lords just weren't sure about where each other stood regarding the whole GE business, each of them thinking that if they made a wrong move all the other lords would hurt him.
Then again, it seems like the first Remnant the Conqueror went to get after the Undelwalt conversation was Remnant Elysion, and Elysion has no lord, so maybe all the other lords didn't want to get involved because it's not their Remnant and it's not worth the risk of being branded a traitor or the risk of losing their lives to the Conqueror earlier than they needed to? But it's just that, well I don't know about the other lords, but Duke Ghor strikes me as someone who wouldn't take this lying down even if it wasn't his city. Particularly after the beating he got at Koenigsdorf! And Qubine as well, he would've done something. Urgh maybe I can assume they were both planning something but David got there first. >_>
Re: handing down Remnants - XDDDD
I wonder about the Harmonium being covered in green stuff and the NPC wondering if that means the GE's bind is coming to an end. Seeing that (unless Marion's Blessing or the Conqueror is involved) the bind between a person and a Remnant shouldn't end unless the person dies, is that hinting that the GE is dying? Or maybe what Haruko said about Remnants reflecting a person's heart... so the NPC got the wrong end of the stick, and it's not the binding coming to an end, but that the Harmonium is reflecting the fact that the GE has become evil?
XD Hope you got some sleep!
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Date: 2009-10-06 11:48 am (UTC)The thing with loyalty and honor is that they aren't always especiallly rational, especially with the desperately honorable type like the three you mention. I would assume that all the Lords have to swear binding oaths to the GE on their ascension, and oath-breaking is A Big Deal, even when the one you've sworn it to has proven himself unworthy of it. There's also the possiblility that they're more loyal to the institution than to the man, which I consider more reasonable, since it's doubtful any of them have ever met the GE before all this mess, and I think it might actually be harder to betray My Emperor than That Asshole Steve. *laughs*
(There's also the possibility that Qubine, at least, with a habit of using Athlum as Celapaleis' well-placed blade, heard that Athlum was already marching and said, "Well, then. Not to worry; Athlum's taking care of it." XD)
The thing with the Conqueror, though...well, people like to lie to themselves. Okay, so he went in and took the Valeria Heart. That's bad! But I think if he'd made a point of hanging around and trying to occupy the city afterwards, or trying to take, say, the Gae Bolg as well, people would have been more likely to be all "OMG, he's collecting towns/Remnants! To arms, to arms!" As it is, they (and by "they" I mostly mean the other three, not the desperately honorable three) can tell themselves it's just Athlum's bad luck. Hey, the Conqueror was promised a Remnant, right? And after all, he's marched his troops on Elysion before and nothing bad happened--that is, sure he bound the Ark, but then he gave it back! Really, this will aaaaall blow over...sure it will...all this talk of conquering the world? yeah, that's just an excitable few getting their knickers in a twist.... *laughs*
Aaaand now I've got to run...heh...babbling about TLR is so much more entertaining than what I've got to look forward to today!
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Date: 2009-10-06 12:46 pm (UTC)I always think (maybe I fantasise) that Qubine is fond of Dave, and Celapaleis holds on to Athlum partly for its own benefits and partly because Qubine feels that Athlum is Not Ready Yet. With what happened at the Bases, though, Qubine decides that David is ready to take on Athlum on his own ("making your own decisions is hardly an easy task") and because Ghor put in a good word for Athlum too... um I'm going off on a tangent, oops! XD I just always think Qubine is so overlooked by the very small fandom that we have.
Maybe it's easy for them to go la la la *fingers in ears*. As long as it's not their own core Remnant being taken, it's easier to ignore what's happening. Which is pretty sad, but does reflect human nature.
*snicker* Work. Always so stimulating!
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Date: 2009-10-06 05:59 am (UTC)I don't seem to have screenshotted the stuff about the war between Celepalais and Ghor--I'll go poke around NPCs later.
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Date: 2009-10-06 07:25 am (UTC)