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Serious business indeed. I like gundam 00, but mostly because of how retarded it is. The politics are silly, the characters are all about fan service. The mechs are sexy. The storytelling is crap. In its defense I like Setsuna now, at least every other episode. The rest of the time I still want to kill him.

I have watched one episode of Code Geass. Other than that I listen to the gossip. I've stayed away from it because I don't like Clamps art style. That's not a very good reason I suppose, but again, anime isn't exactly serious business. If I wanted an intelligent show I don't think I'd watch 00 or Code Geass.

I think we all look for different things in our shows. You like completeness. Others don't find that so important. Can't we just like what we like? (Except when I say something is bad, of course. Then it should be banned. )

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In terms of mecha style, I like the previous Gundams more. And the CG ones, too. XD

I was just telling Unni how, to get me to like a character, don't show me his stupid side first. Once you got me to like him you can show me his stupid, but if you do it the other way round, and that happens to be the lead char, then... >> Which is why I didn't watch very much of Gundam Seed Destiny - while mechas caused riots and everyone was running for their lives, the lead char went to slide down a slope to retrieve the pink phone his sister had dropped because it was her favourite phone. Said phone then repeatedly becomes the symbol of trauma for the lead char. But every time I see it, rather than recognise his trauma, I just remember his stupid. orz In general I find excessive stupidity really infuriating, which is why Setsuna makes me cringe so hard.

I really don't like Clamp. Can't stand them. (I still think X is one of the biggest piece of crap ever, and every other Clamp manga I tried... er, just no.) But Code Geass was okay for me because although they designed the characters, I think they had nothing (or very little) to do with the plot.

I didn't say there's anything wrong with liking different things. >> I just think CG is way more exciting than G00 because it pushes my buttons rather than make me want to *headpalm* constantly.

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Setsuna is beyond stupid. The invisible catears are supposed to make us love him anyway. Many of the other characters fail as well. I didn't even start liking most of them until the end of the first season and that's very bad by anime standards.

Clamp can't do plot at all, obviously, but I also dislike their art style. I guess I might get around that if CG has other good things.

Oh, I was just rambling. And I can totally see why you'd like CG more. I enjoy 00 in a detached way. I like the sparkles and the stupid and the crossdressing, but it's not very good.

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On the art style vs plot thing - have you seen Meine Liebe? The characters were designed by my favourite mangaka in the whole wide world - Yuki Kaori, yet I can't stand the series. DX

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I saw two episodes. *snort*

I generally go for plot more than art, but being pretty, or interesting looking, does help catch my interest.

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Skip to the second season, it has a plot and story. The first season only makes sense from ep 8 or 9 onwards. I only managed it on the second try. =_=

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Wait, what, CROSSDRESSING?! ...no, don't spoil me. Now I have something to look forward to! 8D

Double-oh is fun entertainment, and while Seed drew me in much more, I appreciate the lack of Humongous Angst in 00 so far. I just wish they had a proper double-oh running around.... *ducks*

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Yes. To go along with the general gender confusion.

For some reason I read proper as pooper. Pooper double-oh sounds a bit uncomfortable, I have to say.

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You win. *ded*

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I personally thought the crossdressing was less interesting than it sounds. >> Try not to have too high hopes for it.

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I liked it. But I would have preferred Lockon. ;;

The female to male, if it even counts, is better than the one with extra boobies, I think.

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There has always been gender ambiguity with that char, so there wasn't much of a surprise. :(

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The two Gundam series I've seen (Seed and 00) seem to have one main message: War is bad, m'kay? We're helpless to stop it, no matter how hard we try, but that is not an excuse for giving up. M'kay?

Setsuna needs a good killin'. How he's become a pilot for The Cause is a complete mystery, because he is unbelievably incompetent and has no trace whatsoever of professionality. And he's short.

Also, I don't believe in Chinese characters in Japanese anime. Or other nationalities, for that matter. They're ALL Japanese, no matter what. It's rather obvious. >_>

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The two Gundam series I've seen (Seed and 00) seem to have one main message:

The message is the same in all of the Gundam series x3;

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~~Pop songs will save the world!~~ Oh wait, that's Macross. >>

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xiu

Well, there was Lacus & ~~Lacus II: The Spawning~~Meer...

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Yes, that. Another reason why I didn't watch GSD. I don't know if I can put up with any more of her.

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I figured as much, yep. They all show the echoes Collective Japanese Trauma pretty clearly. As do most of the apocalyptic/post-apocalyptic Japanese series, both animanga and dramas and, hee hee, sentai! Kamen Rider Kabuto was heavy with Echo(tm).

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Yargh. Geass bored the ever-loving shit out of me, but I don't watch either of them from a political POV. I watch them for the giant-fucking-robots blowing shit up. XD; But I also really, really hate CLAMP's character designs (in general, I like their scenery far better - the only series of theirs I remember liking is Angelic Layer), so Geass couldn't get any love from me there. If I don't like the character designs/art, I can't like the series, no matter how "good" it is (see: reason I have not read/watched One Piece).

But as for Gundams... We're probably only going to get horrible plot devices, as they've run out of things to use on the previous 238409287340928374234 Gundam series out there >>

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I watch them for the giant-fucking-robots blowing shit up.

My thoughts exactly.

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I do have Gundam 00 somwhere on a DVD but.. I may have watched two episodes of it...
On the other hand I almost DEVOURED Code Geass. Most parts of R2 were a train wreck (lol) but overall the show was insane and awesome and of course fabulous</>!
One of my favorite scenes was actualy this (HEAVY SPOILERS!).. Starting from 3:23 till the break. When I saw that the first time I was like
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and it still gets me every time I see it.

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Both are the sort of shows that requires you to be in the right mood, I suppose. CG has a slightly slow start but once it gets started everything moves so fast and leaves me O_O!!!! When the plot got started, I totally forgot I didn't like the character designs. XD And OMG R2. So good. The end of season 1 was amazing too, with Euphemia...

I'm at work and can't see the video. XD

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XD CG is definitely an experience of its own..

The Video IS the thing with Euphie.. :[ at least the first part.

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GSD isn't that good compared to Seed. Hopefully the movie they promised this year will be better.

Gundam 00 is silly, but entertaining! I have a lot of fun watching and laughing at it with my friends. But I guess it was made that way to attract the audience, since the previous Gundam series seem to scare off general anime-viewers. Always wondered why though, I'm a big UC fan.

Code Geass... I enjoyed the first season, but the second one ruined it for me. That, and there were barely any characters I could like left by that time.

About Chinese characters - spot-on. All the last shows make me think if they're just clones of each other! XD

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The existence of the movie probably means I'll have to watch GSD afterall.

there were barely any characters I could like left

Really? I thought a surprising amount of characters remained alive at the end of season 2!

Always that hair, always those clothes, and quite often featuring eunuches. *sigh*

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Well, the movie isn't finished yet, so it's hard to say if it'll really come out this year...

True, but the only ones I liked were Orange, Gino, Cornelia and Guilford. Yay for side-characters!
Still not sure what happened to Xingke, might have died because of his illness.

Yeah, we used to laugh that Xingke and Hong Long are actually one person. And this season there's also Tytania with Dr. Lee...

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Ah, if those are the characters you like.... then you should keep watching. >> I won't spoil you, but...

*SNORT*

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No-no, I've watched the second season, I just didn't enjoy it as much as the first one! :D

THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME!!!

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Oh! I was really pleased with what they've done to Orange-kun and Guilford in season 2...

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Yeah, that was definitely a good ending for them! And I'm glad Cornelia survived.

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If you're watching anime for politics, then Gundam and CG are really the wrong place to watch it for. You need watch space opera anime like Legend of Galatic Heroes, Crest of the Stars, and Tytania.

I found GS and GSD boring. I found Kira and Athrun to be boring, and Shinn just made me want to slap him silly.

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Not watching it for politics. I wouldn't want to watch anime for politics, tbh. But G00 seems to be trying to make itself look like srs bznz and it seems to be successfully conning some people into thinking it *is*. Kinda like how PoT is really just about a bunch of school kids playing a tournament, and some are taking it as a game of pride & honour, and life or death, something like that.

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Well, anime is srs bznz for some people.

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My friend didn't like 00 either because it was like "they took a crash course in International Relations and injected everything they knew (very little) into the series" lulz.

I didn't like it at first because of the silliness but then I feeeeeelllll hard for Tieria. XD Then the show got infinitely better. Also I got really attached to the mechs. Season 1 in hindsight isn't that great; Season 2 so far is just full of FUCK YEAH moments. :D

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I've only seen a few clips of Gundam 00, so I can't be pretty much judgemental about it, but definitely seems a bit soap-operish.

Re: CLAMP. Each one their classics. My english will fail me if I try to say something, so I leave it like that.

And yes! Guilford make the best comeback in the end of the series.
(As Orenji-kun XD)

Guess lots of ethnicity has their stereotypes. We have ours too. >.>;;

But Xingke was REALLY hot. *____*
I don't have the chance to put a moodtheme of him, but if I could, yes, of course! XD;;

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Because the Japanese like to stereotype the Chinese. Hey, most of the Europeans in anime have like, giant noses and chins. :|

I didn't like the mind games in CG--I couldn't really buy into them, because they seemed so obvious? S1 was nice, but S2 was really...overly dramatic? I don't know..

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...............but CG is all about the drama. >>

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I think everyone obsesses over G00 and it's "politics" because there are ~pretty~ characters and it looks like every episode is about politics. Now, I do love G00 but I don't watch it for the politics and there are some things about the politics that definitely deter from the story. Then again, G00 only HAS, like, one storyline going. And it's ALWAYS srs bzn. But I think that the characterization is better in G00.

CG, I thought, was much more blatant in its themes and such then G00. (I think I posted about this too lol.) However, I dislike the characters much more than G00. Plus, CLAMP's artstyle? Enough said.

I don't think I can pick between the two because I'm enjoy both of them. I suppose that I like them for different reasons. They're two different animes with different styles of storytelling. IDK.

I was thinking about this the other day though and I'm glad someone brought it up.

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