Passover

Jul. 17th, 2007 03:20 pm
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A slightly strange question. In the Old Testament, Book of Exodus, it described what the Egyptians Israelites had to do at Passover to avoid their first borns being killed... in the actual Book, the Lord said He would be passing over, but commonly people say it was the Angel of Death.

Did this Angel of Death have a name? Was he Azrael, or a different angel?

*googles and wikipedias and everything*

Date: 2007-07-17 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maeran.livejournal.com
Um, you mean Israelites, not Egyptians, right? ^^

The Christian Bible itself rarely ever gives angel names. I think Michael was the only named one for that. I'm sure other Bibles mention more. But like any other myth, there are many versions/variations depending on which tradition you follow. For one, Wikipedia gives Samael for Judaism, and Azrael for Islam. I'm sure there are tons of books on angels out there, if you need more thorough references.

Date: 2007-07-17 02:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yuki-scorpio.livejournal.com
.....that's what I meant, yes. XDDDD;

Hm... is that a "popular" name that's used? Kind of like, when people think about the foretelling of births, they'd usually think Gabriel...

Date: 2007-07-17 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yuki-scorpio.livejournal.com
is THERE a...

*fails at typing*

Date: 2007-07-17 02:44 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] seraphim-grace.livejournal.com
traditionally gabriel is the angel of death, uriel/Ithuriel the angel of who guards the gates of heaven with his flaming sword and michael the angel of war

as a rule you can tell from their name
-el means of god
Michael means who is like god
lucifel means light of god
so if you can figure out the first part you're laughing
raphael is the angel of wind, music and healing

metatron is the voice of god (and leader of the decepticons)
sandalphon is the hand of god
i'm trying to remember there was a time when i could also name all of legion but all i remember now is that
belial (mad hatter in angel sanctuary) was the harlot, the tempter of women that they might make wantons of their children, corrupt their husbands and defile the high mass
and balberith was the devourer of children

look it up in the catholic encyclopedia, it's like a holy version of wiki

Date: 2007-07-17 03:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yuki-scorpio.livejournal.com
Thanks. That doesn't answer my question, though. I'd just like to know who the particular angel (sometimes referred to as the angel of death, the avenging angel or the destroying angel) who performed that particular murder of the first borns should be. ie if there is actually somewhere that specifically named the angel.

Date: 2007-07-17 03:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] seraphim-grace.livejournal.com
i don't think it ever specifically says, you know
there are some you can rule out immediately because they are fallen

but i was always taught it was Gabriel and the archangels that did it
but i went to a convent school, i was taught if you see an angel - run
that they "bowed obeisance with one wing perpetually dipped in blood"

the catholic encyclopedia is www.newadvent.org
they might have more info than me

I know it's not Azrael because that's an alternate spelling of Israel or Land of god
my money would be on gabriel

Date: 2007-07-17 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yuki-scorpio.livejournal.com
Azrael is the angel of death in Islam, actually.

Date: 2007-07-17 03:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] seraphim-grace.livejournal.com
cool, i looked it up on the catholic one and it came up with nothing

more or less in the old testament the angels were all interchangable mean mo'fo's that tore the place apart, raped the women (hence the nephilim) and were generally nasty
I think it's a take your pick thing

although i know the catholic church praised the prophecy film (which you watched at the squee in wales) because it matched it's doctrine and it had gabriel as the angel of death
i think it's dependant on who you ask
shrugs

Date: 2007-07-17 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eames.livejournal.com
It seems like no-one can actually come up with one name, annoyingly. :/

Date: 2007-07-17 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yuki-scorpio.livejournal.com
XD I was just looking at that page, too! The wiki page on Azrael suggests that's the angel who did the killing, but... meh. Maybe I should just give up trying to be correct and pick a name out of a hat!

Date: 2007-07-17 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eames.livejournal.com
Nigel?

That's a good name.

:P

Perhaps not very angel-y. Alas.

What's this for? *curious*

Date: 2007-07-17 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yuki-scorpio.livejournal.com
*snerk* Nigel! XDDD

Oh, just ficcing. It's a light-hearted story, in which one of the characters is actually the angel who killed all the first borns, so I wanted to know what his "angelic" name would've been...

Date: 2007-07-17 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eolo.livejournal.com
I always read Uriel was the Angel of Death.

Date: 2007-07-17 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yuki-scorpio.livejournal.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uriel

Me too, I got that impression from Angel Sanctuary... but Wiki (however trustworthy or not it is) says sometimes he's equated with Azrael, which could be why...

Date: 2007-07-17 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eolo.livejournal.com
I thought Azrael was a Fallen Angel while Uriel is not and he is linked with the Underworld.

I have this huge book on Fallen Angels, alas, it's at home.

Angel Sanctuary screwed our notions on angels.

Date: 2007-07-17 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yuki-scorpio.livejournal.com
Seems (I didn't just type "seme" I didn't just type "seme") like different religions have their own interpretations of the angels, which just isn't helping, as well. But oh well. I might end up calling mine Nigel and have him say "who said it was Azrael or Uriel or Gabriel? They're all wimps and they made /me/ do it!" or something equally silly.

Date: 2007-07-17 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eolo.livejournal.com
Nigel is a good name for an angel as any other.

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